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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1966 Mustang => Topic started by: Josep on April 04, 2019, 11:15:16 AM
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Hi guys,
I have recently removed the package tray in my Hardtop, a PO drilled holes for speakers and I don’t think this is correct so I want to replace it for another one. I am asking here what was the way to fix it. Do I need to fix it with screws.? How do I have to proceed.? Thanks.
Josep
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- a PO drilled holes for speakers and I don’t think this is correct so I want to replace it for another one. I am asking here what was the way to fix it.
Are you asking about the actual fiberboard piece, or the metal frame?
Do you have a copy of the Mustang Interior Manual. It shows the installation.
Jim
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Thanks Jim, I was asking how to fix the tray to the metal frame. I have seen that NPD has the stuff I need like screws, retainers and mounting kit, as well as the insulation. Guess that’s what I need to go correct.
No, I don’t have that Mustang Interior Manual sorry..
Josep
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The manuals shows the what, where and how.
Jim
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I have recently removed the package tray in my Hardtop, a PO drilled holes for speakers and I don’t think this is correct so I want to replace it for another one. I am asking here what was the way to fix it. Do I need to fix it with screws.? How do I have to proceed.? Thanks.
If I understand what your describing you would need to fill the screw holes (hope they didn't cut the package tray to install larger speakers ::) replace the package with a new one and if they are still there reinstall the factory retainers for the package tray. If they hacked the metal panel under the package tray that is going to be a much larger task. In the example below the owner left out a few retaining brackets. I'll find a picture of those
Picture is from a 65 coupe using the "cardboard" style divider
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-040419140433.jpeg)
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If I understand what your describing you would need to fill the screw holes (hope they didn't cut the package tray to install larger speakers ::) replace the package with a new one and if they are still there reinstall the factory retainers for the package tray. If they hacked the metal panel under the package tray that is going to be a much larger task. In the example below the owner left out a few retaining brackets. I'll find a picture of those
Sorry for the confusion. What I was exactly asking for was the way to fix the package tray to the metal frame, which screws, retainers, etc. do I need to do the job the more correct way. My tray had nothing to fix it to the metal frame. So I need those screws, retainers and mounting kit.
Josep
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The manuals shows the what, where and how.
Jim
I’ll try to get one of those... thanks.
Josep
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If I understand what your describing you would need to fill the screw holes (hope they didn't cut the package tray to install larger speakers ::) replace the package with a new one and if they are still there reinstall the factory retainers for the package tray. If they hacked the metal panel under the package tray that is going to be a much larger task. In the example below the owner left out a few retaining brackets. I'll find a picture of those
Sorry for the confusion. What I was exactly asking for was the way to fix the package tray to the metal frame, which screws, retainers, etc. do I need to do the job the more correct way. My tray had nothing to fix it to the metal frame. So I need those screws, retainers and mounting kit.
Josep
(using the word "fix" to state he needs to "attach" the package tray (different dialect)
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The manuals shows the what, where and how.
Part of the "what" is adhesive including the "where" to spread it. The manual is a very valuable tool.
Jim
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(using the word "fix" to state he needs to "attach" the package tray (different dialect)
Good catch
Some pictures
Here is a picture of one of the outer two (one each side) screws and location. From a thread in the unrestored picture section
Late 66 San Jose coupe
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/9/6-091217173728.jpeg)
A shot of the inner front package tray retainers from 6R1590xx
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-040419154318.jpeg)
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Part of the "what" is adhesive including the "where" to spread it. The manual is a very valuable tool.
Jim
Jim what adhesive are you referring to? Don't recall seeing or ever finding adhesive holding down the package tray
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Jim what adhesive are you referring to? Don't recall seeing or ever finding adhesive holding down the package tray
ESB-M2G35-A - sticky stuff for the sound absorber (an often overlooked item) that goes between the tray and the sheet metal holding the absorber to the metal.
Jim
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ESB-M2G35-A - sticky stuff for the sound absorber (an often overlooked item) that goes between the tray and the sheet metal holding the absorber to the metal.
Jim
Don't recall ever finding nor could I find any pictures in my collection of cars with the remains or signs of any prior adhesive being applied to the painted metal surface of the package tray. Other adhesives we find usually leave something behind such as other interior applications or int he trunk
Think this may be a detail in the manual that was not done at the plant, at least San Jose or only for a very short production period.
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-040419191616.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-040419191559.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-040419191539.jpeg)
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-040419191521.jpeg)
Do see the very thin insulator between the Masonite and the metal section. Really thin and an off white at least on late cars on the visible side. This example is 6R204xxx
(http://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/11/6-040419191639.jpeg)
Will be interesting to hear what others have found when removing the package tray out of a 66 coupe for the first time
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Thanks Jeff, those pictures really helps..!
Richard, it is not another dialect, it’s just a matter of having another language as mother language rather than English.
Is the Jim Osborne the best choice for the Interior Manual.? Other.?
And BTW, what was the correct thickness of the tray..? Thank you.
Josep
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Best choice? Its about the only choice. The other option would be pages from the MPC. Like anything in writting you want to double check all the details since we know that each page in the manual was published to correct something that was changed or a mistake on the prior version of that page. Each page has revision dates. Also we don't know if Ford didn't publish another page to replace the one we have access to the next day, week or month. Only IMHO by cross refrencing the documents and unrestored cars like yours from the same plant and time period can you make the best choice. Of course if your car was a low mileage, untouched car to begin with that would be the best choice
Most of the Masonite today comes in metric thicknesses. I think the original was 1/8" thick but that is a guess - don't recall ever measuring an original
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Best choice? Its about the only choice. The other option would be pages from the MPC. Like anything in writting you want to double check all the details since we know that each page in the manual was published to correct something that was changed or a mistake on the prior version of that page. Each page has revision dates. Also we don't know if Ford didn't publish another page to replace the one we have access to the next day, week or month. Only IMHO by cross refrencing the documents and unrestored cars like yours from the same plant and time period can you make the best choice. Of course if your car was a low mileage, untouched car to begin with that would be the best choice
I didn’t know if there were any other choices out there.! OK, that’s the only publication, I’ll get one.
Most of the Masonite today comes in metric thicknesses. I think the original was 1/8" thick but that is a guess - don't recall ever measuring an original
I have found the real thing here, 3mm thick, that is close enough to 1/8”, the bad news is they only sell in 122 x 61 cm pieces, and I believe the tray measures 53” that is around 134cm.. will check another hardware store and see..
Josep
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...Richard, it is not another dialect, it’s just a matter of having another language as mother language rather than English.
Josep
I understood you were from overseas and at times, some of us can forget that when thoughts get translated, even when the person is otherwise fluent in a language, "dialect" can play a part in misunderstandings...(which is why I pointed it out in case there was any misunderstanding by ANY reader or writer or comments).
I could have used the word "dialect" incorrectly or perhaps there is another word that could have better described what seemed like a misunderstanding at first.
DIALECT (NOUN)
a particular form of a language which is peculiar to a specific region or social group.
"this novel is written in the dialect of Trinidad"
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Not a problem Rich.! All fine here.
My apologizes for the confusion.!
Thanks for the point, I’ll keep learning.!
Josep
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Don't recall ever finding nor could I find any pictures in my collection of cars with the remains or signs of any prior adhesive being applied to the painted metal surface of the package tray. Other adhesives we find usually leave something behind such as other interior applications or int he trunk
Think this may be a detail in the manual that was not done at the plant, at least San Jose or only for a very short production period.
The "sticky" was for the sound absorber material. Is it possible the sound absorber was attached to the package tray underside before tray installation? That step would have been done separately prior to the tray's installation, an assembly line "time saving" step.
Jim
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The "sticky" was for the sound absorber material. Is it possible the sound absorber was attached to the package tray underside before tray installation? That step would have been done separately prior to the tray's installation, an assembly line "time saving" step.
Jim
Seeing that the material was pretty light and flimsy that would make sense. Need to keep an eye open for the next original one I see to see if there is any reminisces of an adhesive
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Do they used primer before painting the tray.? Or do they painted the tray directly.? Thanks.
Josep
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Do they used primer before painting the tray.? Or do they painted the tray directly.? Thanks.
Originally I don't think Ford had them primer first but many owners do. Most often with a wood primer rather than an auto body primer that would change the color dramatically
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Do they used primer before painting the tray.? Or do they painted the tray directly.? Thanks.
The package tray is made from paper and wood called fiberboard. Typically wood does not need primer, but may require more than one coat as it is absorbent.
Originally I don't think Ford had them primer first but many owners do. Most often with a wood primer rather than an auto body primer that would change the color dramatically
To avoid a dramatic color change, select a primer that sort of matches your final color: red primer for red paint; light gray for light color paints - white, light blue, light green; dark gray for dark colors - dark blue; black for black. Real good painters will select primers to enhance the final color. That selection comes from experience. (I manage screw paint up a lot with the wrong primer.)
Jim
Jim