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1st Generation 1964 1/2 - 1973 - Questions & general discussions that apply to a specific year => 1967 Shelby => Topic started by: shelby_1967 on February 03, 2022, 08:55:13 PM
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Did a ?67 500 have an paper axle code of 8935A?
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Did a ?67 500 have an paper axle code of 8935A?
I don't recognized that code sequence. It has typically too many numbers so I would have to say no.
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The number of numbers used on the paper axle tags depended on the year the car was constructed. Either 3 or 4 numbers depending on which classic period Mustang and in turn Shelby.
Where did you find that number? (8935A) As the number suggests a 68 application. The 935 would suggest a 3.50/1 gear ratio.
67 Examples for discussion and comparison. Commonly found with 3 numbers
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/16/6-040222191633-169221870.jpeg)
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I was looking at one for a 1968 GT500 and wondered if they might be the same. I have a 1967 with 3:50 open. Thanks
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Jeff if I can confirm the axle had one and what the code is I?d get one or more printed for judging.
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Jeff if I can confirm the axle had one and what the code is I?d get one or more printed for judging.
FYI 67,68 69/70 GT350/500 Shelby along with Mustang got paper axle tags to easily identify/confirm to assemblyline worker what was in the assembly. Dead nuts on makes some but not sure what application.
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That?s what I thought. Dead Nuts On only has them starting with 1968. Unfortunately
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For 67 San Jose built cars there was likely other easier to see methods used to identify the right rearend for the right car but the whole paper tag ID practice was something done at the Sterling plant that built the rearends and was likely used there to identify, inventory and track rearends.
Jeff if I can confirm the axle had one and what the code is I?d get one or more printed for judging.
Will look
Going to be interesting to see how you choose to replicate the printing methods of the 60's as I'm guessing your thinking about using a computer for this purpose. The inconsistent inking is always fun and a challenge. For example the beading of ink in the direction of travel of the application. Had fun with that when I did Dearborn paper inspector stickers. Have fun
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I would use one from Dead Nuts On ( 1968)as an example and use the correct code for the car to reprint unless I could find a picture of one ( the 67 Shelby) and it was different printing style than the 68. Then I would have to have the company try and figure it out. In any case I would have it professionally done.
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For 67 San Jose built cars there was likely other easier to see methods used to identify the right rearend for the right car but the whole paper tag ID practice was something done at the Sterling plant that built the rearends and was likely used there to identify, inventory and track rearends.
So maybe the San Jose ( like mine) didn?t get them. I would think a few cars out there would still have them if they did. Thanks for digging into this.
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I would use one from Dead Nuts On ( 1968)as an example and use the correct code for the car to reprint unless I could find a picture of one ( the 67 Shelby) and it was different printing style than the 68. Then I would have to have the company try and figure it out. In any case I would have it professionally done.
You don't need to focus only on Shelbys since they would be no different that for example a 67 S code. There were different colors of paper used and of course different codes as we've been discussing. If using a sop to make these check that they use the original style fonts (many are not in use anymore) since often they will use "stock" fonts - because it easier, faster, cheaper. Also would not expect that they will replicate the other details but guess we'll see
Hope all the other details are 100% since your now focusing on details like this :)
So maybe the San Jose ( like mine) didn?t get them. I would think a few cars out there would still have them if they did. Thanks for digging into this.
No not what I'm saying since San Jose did not apply the labels. labels could have been dislodged in some cases but would guess not many They would have still be there for at least a little while. Being non-coated paper any moisture or water on them would have likely made them last less than a year of use. In rare cases you can find a little piece of two of paper between the U bolts and the housing tube but the chance of one of these making it through all the years might be the same odds that page from a news paper wrapped around the same housing would still be there after 50 plus years. Been looking for 40 years so far and my collection is small
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Ok sounds good. Hopefully you?ll find something :)Thanks
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I'm confused.
You are looking for a 67 or 68 code?
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I'm confused.
You are looking for a 67 or 68 code?
67 Reply #3
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Ok sounds good. Hopefully you?ll find something :)Thanks
- When was your car completed at San Jose? Might want to consider adding some details about your car into the signature area so that is is automatically included in your posts since we may be asking for the details in future postings and questions. May play a part in the answer as it often does especially in dealing with 67 Mustangs and Shelbys
- Not sure why we didn't ask before ::) - does you rearend still have the original metal ID tag attached to one of the third member retaining studs?
- Think I've figure it out just want to present it in the correct order so that others reading will be able to figure things out for themselves in the future
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Car was completed at San Jose plant 1/18/67
It does still have the metal tag on the stud
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Here?s a picture of the tag.
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Here?s a picture of the tag.
The rear end metal tag you posted would have a paper axle tag like the 964 A example in Reply #2 . Your picture suggests that the tag has been taken off and cleaned up and the rear end and hardware area restored .
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The rear end metal tag you posted would have a paper axle tag like the 964 A example in Reply #2 .
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Interestingly there were two different codes used for the same rearend ratio in 67 for Shelby's so you have narrowed down which one yours had by locating the tag
Earlier version above and later below
(https://www.concoursmustang.com/forum/gallery/16/6-060222140013-16925801.jpeg)
One of the following questions will be to figure out what color of paper to have them printed on.
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Great thanks for your help and hard work!
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I am going over to see a unrestored survivor GT500 4 speed car on Monday to try and confirm what we think is the correct information. I will report back anything I find out that is contrary .
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The rear end metal tag you posted would have a paper axle tag like the 964 A example in Reply #2 . Your picture suggests that the tag has been taken off and cleaned up and the rear end and hardware area restored .
Very cool thanks. Next color and then the hard work for a print company. :)
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I am going over to see a unrestored survivor GT500 4 speed car on Monday to try and confirm what we think is the correct information. I will report back anything I find out that is contrary .
Awesome
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The number of numbers used on the paper axle tags depended on the year the car was constructed. Either 3 or 4 numbers depending on which classic period Mustang and in turn Shelby.
Where did you find that number? (8935A) As the number suggests a 68 application. The 935 would suggest a 3.50/1 gear ratio.
67 Examples for discussion and comparison. Commonly found with 3 numbers
Jeff, Do you have 933A in your library? I have an original paper tag and rear end metal tag I think I sent you long ago.
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Jeff, Do you have 933A in your library? I have an original paper tag and rear end metal tag I think I sent you long ago.
Yes, believe that it was from your convertible, thanks
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Anymore thoughts on color Jeff? Should I go with white as Bob suggested in the photo you sent.
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Based on the numerous ones that I have seen over the years in various conditions suggests that they were a white originally. The paper changed shade as they aged. Here is a link to Jacks website with some examples. https://www.deadnutson.com/rear-axle-paper-id-tags/ I have suggested to Jack to get some 67 versions made but apparently I have not made a good enough case.
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Sounds good to me thanks what I?ll move forward with.
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Anymore thoughts on color Jeff? Should I go with white as Bob suggested in the photo you sent.
Without a matching original paper label we're guessing a bit but the safety choose based on what we have would be white also as Bob mentioned given the year and application. They came in many different colors, as the examples reflect, during all the different years and configurations so if someone else is researching and looking for one for another example I suggest they study that closely and compare like labels.
I would suggest that you not copy other details from Jack's site since as mentioned those are from other years. Sure Jack is just wanting to make sure of what he does is as correct as possible
Some may think that something is better than nothing but in this case IMHO that is not true.
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Without a matching original paper label we're guessing a bit but the safety choose based on what we have would be white also as Bob mentioned given the year and application. They came in many different colors, as the examples reflect, during all the different years and configurations so if someone else is researching and looking for one for another example I suggest they study that closely and compare like labels.
I would suggest that you not copy other details from Jack's site since as mentioned those are from other years. Sure Jack is just wanting to make sure of what he does is as correct as possible
Some may think that something is better than nothing but in this case IMHO that is not true.
So true.