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Re: 1967 Mustang By the Numbers
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2018, 06:25:27 PM »
Barring a "typo", I find the existence of a Bench Seat in a Fastback not only unusual, but a real anomaly (of course being a '67, what else is new ?). I say this based on 3 pieces of documentation (copies attached) ; the 1967 Showroom Options Book (typically available at Model Introduction) which shows under "Full Width (bench) Front Seat", "Not available for Fastback Models", and two Salesman's Price Books, one dated 10/17/66, and the other dated 3/10/67, both of which note "hardtop and convertible only". If, in fact, a Fastback came out of a Factory with a Bench Seat, it would be beneficial to have a copy of either the Build Sheet or Factory Invoice to document such.

Another item of interest in this discussion is the "Mustang by the Numbers". The dopy that I have is noted "Copyright 2005, Fourth Edition, First Printing", and does not include the Full Width Front Seat in the list of Options shown for either 1967 or 1968 ?

It will be interesting to see which Edition and Printing that 67gtasanjose has.

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I agree! The very fact Kevin Marti listed just ONE would be simply it got entered into the computer. Maybe if (love that word "if") we had a build date or a Marti Report that supports the statistic, it would help...maybe NOT just as well.

Bob, I'll get that date of print of Kevin's book, with page of reference too...It is at home so in a little bit now.
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Re: 1967 Mustang By the Numbers
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2018, 06:40:20 PM »
Looking through the book when I first got my copy I noticed a couple of 1 of 1 that look liek they didn't fit. Just wrote it off as a mistake in the data stream and left it at that
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Re: 1967 Mustang By the Numbers
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2018, 07:49:18 PM »
Bob, I'll get that date of print of Kevin's book, with page of reference too...It is at home so in a little bit now.

I have the same printing you have, Bob. Look on page 8, this is where the stats I posted came from. I own "no proof" of any fastback with a factory installed bench seat except the data on that page.
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Re: 1967 Mustang By the Numbers
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2018, 10:55:59 AM »
Richard : Thanks ! I of course was inly looking in the "Options" section, thinking that is where the "Full Width Seat" option should appear, never thinking to look in the "General Statistics" portion - duh !

However, after seeing it appear there, I'm even more inclined to agree with Jeff.

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Re: 1967 Mustang By the Numbers
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2018, 04:52:37 PM »
The fastback bench seat issue is very interesting. In the past 30 some odd years I have been working on Mustang's, I have worked on 2 67 fastbacks ( probably more than 20 years ago) that had a front bench seat. I am sure they were an owner added item to these cars. I remember that it was a bit tougher to get into the back seat because of the slightly different angle that the seat back moved forward. Could that be the reason it was not available? Just a guess. My guess on the "1" that was made.....remember back then even if it was not available, you could get anything you wanted if you knew the right person or if you worked on the line yourself! I owned a 60 Galaxie once that was originally owned by a Ford employee that walked the line as it was being built and had the car made with options that were not available on that particular model. Again, just a thought.
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Re: 1967 Mustang By the Numbers
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2018, 06:27:47 PM »
my theory & it is just a theory. the bench seat defeated the 2+2 model theme & therefore was not offered.
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Re: 1967 Mustang By the Numbers
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2018, 06:43:43 PM »
Kevin Marti may be the only person who could answer this anomily...it may be interesting to see what other options may be on this particular "1 of 1". If the VIN were known, I wonder if it were a very early build, perhaps so early that it pre-dates some of the literature that was sent to the dealers (that Bob posted some copies of earlier).
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Re: 1967 Mustang By the Numbers
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2018, 07:18:23 PM »
my theory & it is just a theory. the bench seat defeated the 2+2 model theme & therefore was not offered.

Don't think that theory works since after three years of production of the Mustangs they did offer it in 68.  Apparently not a success that was the only year offered.
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Re: 1967 Mustang By the Numbers
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2018, 06:19:22 PM »
I have the same printing you have, Bob. Look on page 8, this is where the stats I posted came from. I own "no proof" of any fastback with a factory installed bench seat except the data on that page.

Page 13, there was 1 Acapulco Blue fastback with bench seat, it was code 4A.
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Re: 1967 Mustang By the Numbers
« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2018, 06:50:47 AM »
Page 13, there was 1 Acapulco Blue fastback with bench seat, it was code 4A.

Nice search! Kevin's charts really do sift things down A LOT when you study them. So it looks like it was an Acapulco Blue fastback with Standard Black interior, there you go! Not so much likely it was a Typo, more likely that one got through (or at very least, a card got 'punched').
« Last Edit: November 06, 2018, 07:19:14 AM by 67gtasanjose »
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Re: 1967 Mustang By the Numbers
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2018, 07:16:31 AM »
A few other stats, compared by Body Type:
CLOCK:
11.3% of Coupes
32.5% of Fastbacks
19.4% of Convertibles

TACHOMETER/TRIP METER:
.86% of Coupes (less than 1%)
7.9% of Fastbacks
6,9% of Convertibles

STYLED STEEL WHEELS:
.98% of Coupes (less than 1%)
10.1% of Fastbacks
3.5% of Convertibles

TILT-AWAY COLUMN:
2% of Coupes
4.5% of Fastbacks
4.4% of Convertibles

SAFETY CONVENIENCE GROUP:
.87% of Coupes (less than 1%)
3% of Fastbacks
2% of Convertibles

FACTORY SELECT-AIRE:
17.2% of Coupes
13.9% of Fastbacks
7.7% of Convertibles

Interesting that 1 out of 3 Fastbacks got a clock! That is a vast departure from the other two.

I may add a few other options to the thread but it is interesting to see how the numbers vary depending the body type on some options. Again, we see many of these options these days on the show field, the show field clearly doesn't represent well of the numbers actually produced by Ford. Styled Steel Wheels seem to be the #1 show-field upgrade.
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Re: 1967 Mustang By the Numbers
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2018, 09:11:02 AM »

I may add a few other options to the thread but it is interesting to see how the numbers vary depending the body type on some options. Again, we see many of these options these days on the show field, the show field clearly doesn't represent well of the numbers actually produced by Ford. Styled Steel Wheels seem to be the #1 show-field upgrade.

I have suggested that the MCA require a Marti Reports for the Concours Trailered class and deduct for options added and changed to the equipment on the door data tag.
Yes I realize that there are no Marti reports for the 65-66s but there are 9 million Mustangs built after them. The idea has not gotten much traction yet.

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Re: 1967 Mustang By the Numbers
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2018, 01:03:49 PM »
It would be interesting to see how many of the Mustangs were optioned by the buyer, meaning "Retail" order type on the Marti Report.

From a marketing standpoint, most cars had to be built and delivered to the dealers within a price range that was affordable. The price had to be in-line with other cars in this class. I think they call that value?
From a manufacturing stand point, Ford generally had to build cars based on available components and buyer preferences.
A typical 1967 Mustang was a standard coupe, with C code 289-2V, C4 transmission, power steering, and AM radio. Random color mix determined above.

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Re: 1967 Mustang By the Numbers
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2018, 02:21:39 PM »
How about an 67 S-code GT Fastback with a 3psd - RAT N? Rare, but not desirable!
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Re: 1967 Mustang By the Numbers
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2018, 03:34:16 PM »
NEXT UP:
67 Mustang, Numbers of Colors, total of 20 different colors (not counting 'Special Paint')

Available colors listed from highest to lowest percentage produced in the 67 model year (INCLUDING Special Paint)

 1- (15.62%) Lime Gold (73,760)
 2- (11.04%) Candy Apple Red (52,158)
 3- (9.08%) Wimbledon White (42,903)
 4- (9.06%) Dark Moss Green (42,783)
 5- (8.06%) Springtime Yellow (38,065)
 6- (5.34%) Vintage Burgundy (25,228)
 7- (5.29%) Acapulco Blue (25,001)
 8- (5.26%) Brittany Blue (24,843)
 9- (4.61%) Clearwater Aqua (21,778)
10- (4.38%) Nightmist Blue (20,704)
11- (4.14%) Frost Turquoise (19,556)
12- (3.96%) Burnt Amber (18,708)
13- (3.12%) Sauterne Gold (14,757)
14- (2.23%) Raven Black (10,526)
15- (1.87%) Acadian Blue (8,844)
16- (1.69%) Pebble Beige (7,979)
17- (1.59%) SPECIAL PAINT ~all (7,490)
18- (1.06%) Diamond Green (5,017)
19- (0.89%) Silver Frost (4,219)
20- (0.59%) Mist Beige (2,818)
21- (0.51%) Dusk Rose (2,395)

It would be nice to know what other colors were available in 67 (verified). I have seen many mentioned, often a color available on another Ford, Mercury or Lincoln I imagine but I do not wish to include "unverified" colors or color names. (Playboy Pink, for example).

FYI - You're missing Diamond Blue (color code "N") which accounted for 2,677 cars (about 0.57%) in 1967...

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