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Offline Texascobra

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Door hinges - San Jose Jan 23 1967 build
« on: October 13, 2022, 09:49:59 PM »
What would be the correct door hinges for a 23 Jan 67 car??. From what I gather here, stamped uppers and cast lowers seems to be the consensus. 
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Re: Door hinges
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2022, 08:23:22 AM »
Long debated subject imho. There may be a common changeover date but it would appear that the date is more along the line of "use whatever is in today's bin".
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Re: Door hinges
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2022, 03:50:59 PM »
I have read all those posts and still seems clear as mud, thus my question.
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Re: Door hinges
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2022, 07:22:05 PM »
If I was restoring it the door hinges would be stamped upper and cast lower. There are early '68 cars built that way, so they would be right on the entire model year for 1967.


Obviously the cast lowers are slightly harder to find since they have not been reproduced but I see that as a positive.
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Re: Door hinges
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2022, 09:47:34 PM »
My Mar 2 Shelby had cast top and bottom.
It still had the factory thin line of squished out sealant on both top hinges -- both sides.
If it were me I'd find other unrestored cars in your assy date range.

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Re: Door hinges
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2022, 10:28:56 AM »
If I was restoring it the door hinges would be stamped upper and cast lower. There are early '68 cars built that way, so they would be right on the entire model year for 1967.

 

Do you mean door hinges would be stamped upper and cast lower after the first of the year? I have not seen any stamped uppers before then.

Would not suggest that it was,what ever it was in the bin, since that is part of our challenge to figure out what was in the "bin" at what period and the supplier was not changing back and fourth between multiple styles for weeks or months
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Re: Door hinges
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2022, 08:11:27 PM »
As for a point of reference my 67 GT350 built Feb 1st has stamped uppers and cast lowers.
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Re: Door hinges
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2022, 09:25:32 PM »
My December 20, 1966 SJ car has cast for all four
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Re: Door hinges
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2022, 05:08:33 PM »
What would be the correct door hinges for a 23 Jan 67 car??. From what I gather here, stamped uppers and cast lowers seems to be the consensus.


Others forgot to ask what plant was the car built at? From there we can see what others built around or on the same date at the same plant have or had

Will wait until we get the assembly plant to respond so that you don't get a change over period from a different (from your car's) information. Evidence from other plants and cars is fairly unuseful (if that is a word) IMHO


Might consider adding your cars information to your signature so you don't get asked or have to include this in every written posting of a question.
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Re: Door hinges
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2022, 07:27:29 PM »
Sorry, San Jose. Its a GT500 #752.
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Re: Door hinges
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2022, 08:47:23 PM »
Sorry, San Jose. Its a GT500 #752.

Thanks helps allot

Wouldn't you know that it would turn out that Jan 1967 appears to be the change over period for the earlier cast to later stamped upper hinge.  Looking at the cars I have pictures of where the cars are unrestored and the paint on the upper hinge matches the body color I found the following

Ten examples of the of the stamped upper hinge from and following Jan 21st completion date through the end of that month with no examples of cast upper hinges during this time period. So if you don't have anything that you believe are original or question them I would suggest you go with the later version. There are likely more from this production period since I've not updated the survey of this details for over a year and I'm adding cars daily.


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Re: Door hinges
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2022, 08:05:50 AM »
Wouldn't you know that it would turn out that Jan 1967 appears to be the change over period for the earlier cast to later stamped upper hinge. 

Off subject slightly but adds to the muddy waters on hinges:
The STAMPED version looks to be used or at very least, had been used at times prior to the January date...I doubt that I have the ONLY example of this.
I believe one or more of the aforementioned threads should cover what I found on my example (11/02/66 actual build date).
My example had BOTH uppers stamped type and it was evidenced to me with the factory sealant on the upper hinge mounting (still bonded to the LH door post at time of restoration). Further evidenced, though I had repainted the car, including the hinge area...but yes, the factory paint was still on even the sealant of both my LH hinges when I stripped the hinges during restoration. Also reported in another thread, my RH door AND their door hinges  were both changed BY ME back in 1978 because I bought the car wrecked and I specifically remember noticing the cast style hinges (both upper & lower) on the replacement door at the time. At the 1978 time of repairing the wrecked car,  I figured the RH stamped one might be bent, I felt it wise to use both hinges that came with the RH door (and fender). Dates stamped in the fender and door make them both dated mid-December. I assume the donor car was a mid to late December1966 SJ example (going by the under-side painting details of the fender. Note: Donor parts car was an original paint car.
Now, in 1978, I cared ONLY about getting the car drivable...what 16-year old wouldn't so details like "correct hinges" would have been unimportant to me back then. Nontheless, I have no doubts in my memory about the upper hinge diffences. REMINDER: I also have on hand a full set of hinges from another pair of December San Jose S-coded Coupe doors that BOTH had the stamped uppers and CAST lowers. Clearly there are two examples like I describe and the spare doors ALSO are in ORIGINAL PAINT.
It would have been very easy, pretty much cost-free even, to have simply installed all Cast Hinges during my restoration and have complied to what is commonly known (as well as what MCA rules suggest)...
...I have TWO original paint examples in this Pre-January 1967 detail and I am 100% sure, my doors on hand were originally equipped with the stamped uppers. This is why I chose to return my RH door to the stamped upper (and lower cast).

Now, off my soapbox and back to the O.P.'s concerns.

On last edit: facts straightened out on my examples on hand after reviewing previous threads and my own pictutes.
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Re: Door hinges
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2022, 02:16:07 PM »
............... I assume the donor car was a mid to late December1966 SJ example (going by the under-side painting details of the fender. Note: Donor parts car was an original paint car............................


I'm aware of no difference nor have seen any between the primer color nor the sound deadener application between the three plants that could be used to determined what plant the a car was built and the variations of original cars documented from each. So would not use that as a solid determining factor

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