Topic: Front seat brackets at rear studs

[Corey Bowcutt]

I have a 1964.5 convertible.  When I removed the front seats there were 2 brackets between the seat rails and the floor/carpet at the rear stud location of both driver's and passenger's seat.  Can anyone tell me what the purpose of these brackets is?  Also the orientation of these brackets when installed.  From memory I feel like the turned up end points up.

Thank you,

Corey

[jwc66k]

Those are spacers. Do you have a set of the Mustang Assembly Manuals?
Jim

[CharlesTurner]

They keep the seat tracks from binding up on the carpet.  Later tracks had plates made in.

[Bob Gaines]

64 1/2 plates must be different because many 65 and later are shaped slightly different. 65-early 67 are typically black chromate color and not painted black. The later 67 up are PO.

[Corey Bowcutt]

Those are spacers. Do you have a set of the Mustang Assembly Manuals?
Jim

I do have a set of manuals and I looked there first.  Could find nothing about them. I looked very hard but clearly I do not know what I am looking for.

Corey

[jwc66k]

In the Body Assembly Manual (AM0001) page 36, four of the "retainers" per front seat are shown.
Jim

[CharlesTurner]

64 1/2 plates must be different because many 65 and later are shaped slightly different. 65-early 67 are typically black chromate color and not painted black. The later 67 up are PO.

The long plates were used up until around Oct/Nov '64.  They are the same brownish plating as the later ones.

[Corey Bowcutt]

In the Body Assembly Manual (AM0001) page 36, four of the "retainers" per front seat are shown.
Jim

Jim,

Thank you for that.  Now it seems very obvious but when I looked thru the book I did not even know what that picture was.

Next question, my car had 4 of them all mounted under the rear mounting studs for each seat.  The picture shows 4 being used per seat.  I am guessing since the passenger seat does not adjust there is no need for them under the passenger seat so all 4 should be under the driver's seat.  Does this make sense?

Thank you,

Corey

[Bob Gaines]

From the factory they were typically placed one under each stud as shown in the assemblyline manual illustration. If they were stacked two on a stud then it is most likely past owner done for some reason.

[Corey Bowcutt]

No they were not stacked.  What I am saying is I only have 4 of them.  They were on the rear studs of both driver's and passenger's seats.  Since I only have 4 I was wondering if they did not use them on the passenger side because that seat is not adjustable so the carpet would not interfere with it.  Just a thought.  It is also very possible if they did come with 8 (4 under each seat) then I am just missing 4 of them.

Corey

[Bob Gaines]

No they were not stacked.  What I am saying is I only have 4 of them.  They were on the rear studs of both driver's and passenger's seats.  Since I only have 4 I was wondering if they did not use them on the passenger side because that seat is not adjustable so the carpet would not interfere with it.  Just a thought.  It is also very possible if they did come with 8 (4 under each seat) then I am just missing 4 of them.

Corey

They were typically used on all studs of both seats. I am guessing they would be used regardless but I am not familiar with a 64.5 non adjustable seat which were not used on later cars. If you end up looking for 4 more of that early style remember that early style is not reproduced. The one in the picture is so pitted that if the others are the same shape and if you can't find better early style ones I don't think you would be compromising the integrity of the car with  8 of the later original style replacement . The pitted condition offsets the original style IMO.  But that is just me.

[Corey Bowcutt]

Thank you Bob.

Corey

[jwc66k]

Here's a picture of four types I "acquired" many years back from a local car "dismantler" who specialized in Mustangs. As you can see, there are many types. The one on the left I do not believe is a Mustang bracket, but who knows. The next on it the longer version used in early 1964 Mustangs. The next two were the type used in 65 and on Mustangs. Note the one on the right is just a bit shorter than the one next to it. As to finish, they appear to have been "plated" or at least treated. Most of the one I got were rusty, pitted and had some type of corrosion that looked like they had salt water crystal specs - my interpretation.
The "1965 Mustang Body Assembly Manual" (the infamous MPC) - AM0001, page 36, lists these brackets as C4ZB-6513190, as does the 65 Body (AM0006 pg43) and 66 Body (AM0011 pg39). They are not shown in 1967 (and up, I assume - not in the 68 Body or Interior). I tried to find them in the 75 edition of "Ford Car Parts" but could not find them. It is quite possible that Ford did NOT service this part.
Jim

[J_Speegle]

No they were not stacked.  What I am saying is I only have 4 of them.  They were on the rear studs of both driver's and passenger's seats.  Since I only have 4 I was wondering if they did not use them on the passenger side because that seat is not adjustable so the carpet would not interfere with it.  Just a thought.  It is also very possible if they did come with 8 (4 under each seat) then I am just missing 4 of them.

Though I don't have any pictures of them installed on a very early car I do recall on the cars with stationary passenger seats not having any.

Believe you would be correct by not using them on that seat while the driver would

[Corey Bowcutt]

Thank you Jeff. That is what I am inclined to do.
Corey